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22 May 2007

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sarala

I've never been sexually harrassed or threatened in that way. It must have been horrible. I had one incident of a workplace attack but it was non-sexual and by a woman. It was plenty bad anyway. And I've been in a whistle blower position which was not fun and ended in my "quitting" my job.

Caty

No, I have never been on those situations, thankfully! I guess it is more common for men who are on power situations. I guess they play on the fact that they will not be accused of harassment..Did you tell anybody at the time?

tinker

I'm speechless - so much to say - and yet can't think how to express it all. Kudos and (((HUGS))) *friendly* ones only! to you and all of us that have fought our way out such situations. I pray for better days for our daughters or at least our daughters' daughters! And our sons! Don't these men have mothers/sisters of their own?? Can't they see the parallel? Sheesh.

awareness

Good on you for walloping them!! The bastards!

I'm shocked at how universal this type of assault is. My first situation was with my Math teacher in high school......same scenario, but it was afterschool when I went for extra help before an exam....he locked the classroom door, turned off the lights and tried to attack me. Luckily, I knew he had been leering at me previously (placed me at the front of the class so he could look down my top among other things....)so I had a friend with me who was just waiting outside the door....the scumbag was not fired....they simply moved him to another school.

yes, I too have had sexual harrassment incidences in my past....most predominantly while travelling through Europe. Italy, Greece and Turkey were the worst. You're right Tara, there is a sense that all N.A. women are free for the taking or something.

I haven't had many incidences occur in my work place, because most of the people I work with are women. However, there is one guy (who happens to be Lebanese) who has been known to stalk and grope others and he has never been reprimanded.

sick, sick.

Laurie/Zinjabeelah

Oh, yes, I have had experiences like this, too. When I was in my late twenties I worked at an international NGO in Washington DC and had to fight off the advances of my boss. When I tried to figure out what to do about it, friends and colleagues said "Blow the whistle and you'll lose your job, and if you brought a law suit, it would take a long time." So after a year I left that job.

A year or so later, when Anita Hill testified about being abused by a Supreme Court nominee, it all came back to me and I had awful dreams for about a month.

Willow Grace

I can't imagine what it's like to be in your shoes. I'm so sorry you and any woman who has to experience even one of these assaults had to go through this.

AnnieElf

Well, that would be "AND so it goes". Hate typos.

AnnieElf

Years ago before sexual harrassment was recognized, I worked in a law office. In the 70's this was all about power and one beautiful woman was subjected to a lot of it by the attorney she worked for. That she didn't leave her job says a lot about the pervasiveness of the problem. If it wasn't one place, it would be another. I ultimately was fired from my job there because I actually took the head partner at his word and complained about MY attorney's alcoholism and lack of productivity.

Then there is the story of my daughter in Tunisia back in 2005. Wonderful trip, memorable and amazing, but OH THE MEN, right down to the young boys. And God forbid that a woman protest mistreat as my friend did on the Tunisian airplane on her return to Paris. The captain took her aside at the end of the trip and when Phaa would not be still and apologize to a male passenger (for which she had nothing to aplogize FOR) he STRUCK her.

As Linda Ellerby said - "As so it goes".

GeL (Emerald Eyes)

Oh, Tara, hugs around you and any woman who has sufferred such.I'm shaking reading this, because I relate strongly to such (haunting) events. Even most recently, while my husband was in a hospital in a city far from home, I averted an attack by the cab driver and his "supposed cousin."

Throughout my life, from a child onward, I have far too many incidents to recount. None were "my fault." I have written about them elsewhere.

Your chilling accounts, sadly, are far too prevalent. To the commenter who mentioned she is a "plain Jane" and hasn't had that happen for that reason: You are lucky (and I hope you never suffer any subsequent abuse.) Sexual attacks, verbal or physical, are acts of violence, of power and rage. They are "beauty blind." Looks have absolutely nothing to do with their occurrence. (Tara, I am removing cultural factors in the above blanket statement.)

My own accounts would make a book, so for now
((((Tara)))).

clockworkchris

I am going to take a big chance here and comment. If you haven't noticed-I am a MAN! whoooo-JK. The men that do idiotic and terrible things like the ones all of the women including Tara have spoken about here are what give the impression that there is no such thing as a gentlemen left in the world. Now on the other side of things. If I try to be extremely nice to a woman online who has befriended me, is having a birthday, and actually takes the time to put up a gift list of what she wants I end up the asshole. I'm just saying it would be nice for more people to really appreciate the guys that are nice. This woman I am speaking of downed her site because I tried to buy her a gift for being such a good friend and told everyone I was a stalker. I am married for God's sake, and Newly Wed at that. I think women could help change history perhaps by just spreading the word that in the end, when the looks and smooth moves wear off, it is intelligence and love that make a man great. Tara was correct that the stereotypes people think about Western Women are terrible and need to be changed. I just think the same could be said for men or any group. As I man, I must apologize for the stupidity of most of us.

Di Overton

When I had the Ad Agency I had to sack a bloke for sexual harrassment and when I was pulled in by the NGA the Graphic Artist's Union at the time they told me I couldn't just do that. When I told them he was harrassing the men in the studio they told me to go ahead.
One law for them another for us. Gladly that Union has no clout anymore.
Being a woman in business has put me in situations I would rather not have been in but as long as you have a good aim with the knee it usually puts them out of action long enough to run. We shouldn't have to put up with this sort of thing but thousands of years of evolution is going to be very hard to erradicate.
The attitude of some Middle Eastern men to women is to me unacceptable and in the UK we are supposed to respect that attitude - not me pal.

Colette

Oh, god yes. This brought back some very unwelcome memories. I can only be thankful that I escaped being physically raped, but my fear had a kind of fury to it and I escaped every time. One time it involved a diplomat (diplomat!! talk about a misnomer) in Washington, D.C. A mutual friend was visiting me, and said diplomat eventually came by to pick her up. she expected me to invite him up, but I flatly refused. She pushed for an explanation, so I finally told her. She was my friend, she knew me well, but she didn't want to believe me, and I think she never quite made up her mind.

dargie

I read this and felt terribly fortunate that I've never been assaulted in this manner. Of course it could have something to do with the fact that I'm told I have a very forbidding aura and give the impression of carrying a castration knife in my purse.

Only the truly stupid have ever put their hands on me without my permission. They learn quickly how big a mistake it is. Even men who try to pick me up call me "ma'am."

Christine

I am so sorry about your experiences. My own are not so serious, but I have not been in the same places. While working in a hospital an Egyptian doctor, whose wife recently had a baby, flirted, caressed my waist and asked me out for coffee. I have experienced the usual on the street sexual comments and been followed by two strange looking men in a van during daytime. The last and most stressful was also while I was working at that same hospital. I was 19 and a 40 year-old union delegate and housekeeping employee kept passing sexual innuendos and just made work so stressful that I never wanted to be alone around him. After reporting it to my boss it turned into a he said/she said case and he was ready to go in front of a union panel. Luckily, this guy did not care who he said things in front of and another female employee and a doctor threatened him they were willing to testify for me. In revenge, he had other union friends in our department who told lies about me to other staff. I am blatantly feminist so I think some guys just stay away. The worst story I ever heard was from my best friend's grandmother. In the 1960s NYC a coworker of hers had a guy relieve himself sexually up against her in a crowded subway.

Amber

This post made me think of many things. Mostly, anger at the FACT that not enough people understand how women are really thought of and treated in this world. So many things happened to you, one woman...And people doubt that one in three women will be/is raped in her lifetime! People act as if those of us who make noise about it are some kind of FemNatzi freaks. They Just. Don't. Get. It.

Women all over the world are treated like objects. It has always been so. And sometimes I feel like, even it it is not socially acceptable in some places, it lingers just under the surface. Perhaps this is why you also had trouble with Western men. They were in a place, and in positions of power where it was not as shamed to act on their wants.

The attitude about women is my main issue with Islam. I think it is dangerous to our whole world, for these ideas to spread in the name of religion. Nothing good can come to the world when women are trampled on. We ARE the world's humanity. We are the mothers, the strength, and the glue.

I also thought abotu how stupidly dangerous our media is to our image! Bay Watch. Fucking A. Jeeze. I am not kidding. It makes me nuts. And what can we do about it? We don't take it seriously, that our MAIN ambassadors to the rest of the world are people IN HOLLYWOOD!? Really? Really, that is okay? Because these people are SO in touch with main-stream America? It's a laugh! So then the whole world gets an idea about us-- and they do!-- that is totally not who MOST of us are. It is not our government, no matter how lame, that has done us the most hard. It is the longterm effect that our media has had in telling the world that we are a bunch of faithless, slutty, shallow, rich, voids.

What do we do about that?

Grr. :/


Tammy

I think men like that should be punished and they exist in every corner of the world. Being a journalist gave you a look at the disrespect of women in many countries. You were very brave and a fellow woman warrior. BIG TAMMY HUGS

I was talked down to and sexually harassed in every job I ever had and never said a word. I fought back in every other way but always kept my job and integrity. I'm sure that it is still happening everywhere.

XXOO

lacithecat

Oh man. This is horrible. Tara I feel for you and I know my words go such a short way to make any difference.

Sadly I have my own list too. Worrisome - and I really hate to make such generalization - the worse cases have all been middle eastern men. I am shocked at that because I really don't want to point a finger at a certain group, but alas - its true.

The worse case has to be when I lived in Maide Vale in a garden flat that you had to enter from stairs down from the street level. It was a sunny day and I had just gone to the supermarket so my hands were full. I manouvered the stairs, put my bags down and started going through my handbag for my keys when I realized that someone was directly behind me. He pushed me against the door and I screamed as he ... well you can imagine. Luckily my old Chinese neighbour (a battle axe of a woman) had her window open above and came rushing out. he panicked before getting luckily too far and while struggling up the steep stairs - I hit him with a big pot of plants in the head. I just remember how he suddenly looked so defenseless as the blood streamed down his face.

And of course weekly I have obscene slurs made by the guys around the mosque (regardless what I am wearing) and have on numourous occassions been touched by them inapproprately. Fab?! I love my neighborhood, but that is one part I really try to avoid as I get pretty pissed off ... and I can be a bit of a firecracker, so someday I may just do something.

But your stories are so much worse and repeated! I don't think I could have handled that. Actually I am sure I would have just left the region. I am so sorry.

pam aries

OH MY GOSH! THat is awful! I know Middle Eastern men think of women as 'nothings'. I cannot imagine how it must have felt to be in such a position! Ghastly! I am so sorry you had to go through something that horrendous! I'm lucky something of that nature never happened to me. Many of my friends have gone through similiar attacks and beyond.

ally bean

Put me on antipodeesse's short list. No one has ever sexually harrassed or assaulted me. There are advantages of being a "plain jane."

chocolate covered musings

i had one of my lecturers fired when i was in my first year of polytech. i was 17 years old and he asked me to wait after everyone else had left the class, then he grabbed me and dragged me a part of the room that wasn't visible through the window in the door and kissed me so hard it hurt. i could feel the swelling in his pants. i remember promising him 'something' (but don't remember what) just to get me out of the class. i was lucky there was a friend from class outside waiting for me who was much older than me and saw my distress. she took me straight to the office and filed a complaint. he'd been following me and hanging around me for weeks beforehand. he was asked to write me a letter of apology and was fired from the polytech. i never did go back and finish my study! there have been other instances, but that is one that i remember where i had help and something was done. probably if my friend hadn't been there, i wouldn't have said anything - too afraid that no-one would believe me.

Artzyjudie

Ah Tara, I am so sorry for you to have gone through that harrassment. I know how it feels. It's hurtful and stressful. Yes, I too have "been there done that". An ex-boss who locked the door and tried to show me pictures of Playboy centerfolds (pleeeeze, get original), a tv repairman who attacked me in my apartment and fortunately the phone rang and it put him off guard so I could scream and run out (I went to court with this dude, he was from Sears), and others I won't even bother to give credit to. Even one of my daughters had to go through a rape case, and that guy spent two years in prison. Not nearly enough time. And of course there is the "cheating husband" too. I don't understand men. Many of them have their brains in their ...um...you know, and it isn't near their head. A girl cannot be friendly without it being taken as a come-on. And if a girl doesn't smile and be friendly, she's a "prude" or a "dork". Can't win for losing. I do have to say I have finally found a wonderful man (DH) who is true and has MORALS! There ARE some! It's a good thing, as Martha would say.

antipodeesse

My heart sank to my boots as I read this Tara. I think you should ask "How many women have NOT been assaulted?" The list will probably be quite short!

From my own past:

- an ANCIENT resident (and war hero!) of a rest home where I washed dishes on the weekends when I was just 14;
- 4 young men got into my compartment on a train travelling from East Germany back to Berlin in the early 80s, wanted me to share my sandwiches, started groping me when I refused;
- my "respectable" boss in an office job;
- the porter/steward chap showing me to my sleeping cabin on a train in Yugoslavia. He lent me a book to read and expected a reward;
- a waiter who bought soup to my hotel room when I fell ill in Egypt;
- various students during my year in Halls of Residence;
- the list goes on, but my experiences are in fact extremely tame compared to yours and many others, no doubt.

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